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Welcome to our weekly Weekly Burn & Turn, where we discuss the latest poker updates published during the week.

Vidcast for the week of: Sunday, December 13, 2015

The One With the Star Wars Reference: Burn & Turn 12/20/15

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If you would like to read the articles discussed in our vidcast, please see the links below!

(1:35) 3 Things Online Poker Sites Can Do to Make it Big in 2016

(3:48) 4 Steps to Success with WPT DeepStack’s Chris Torina

(6:35) Poker & Television – Why Do People Enjoy it?

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Transcription Below

Happy holidays everyone, from the Weekly Burn & Turn. On this week’s show we talk about 3 things that online poker sites can do to make a big splash in 2016; also, Chris Torina and the WPT DeepStacks; and poker on television – what is it that makes you watch. Plus, Shimi’s got a pretty good Star Wars reference at the end. Right after this.


Welcome everybody to another great and exciting episode of the Weekly Burn & Turn for the week of December 20th, 2015. You’re in for a treat this time. Are you ready Shimi?

I’m always ready. Are you ready Robbie?

I’m ready, but I think you’re a little bit too ready. What’s up with the sleeves dude?

It’s freezing in here, and until you give me a long-sleeve PokerUpdate shirt, I’m wearing a long-sleeve shirt underneath. And you know, I’m not afraid to come like this. I’m braver than you think.

Er, okay, I don’t know about that. Well, clearly you’re not brave enough to have a Twitter handle. That’s one thing I want to point out. You can find me on Twitter, @CardPlayerLife and of course you can find @PokerUpdate on Twitter as well. This gentleman does not have a Twitter.

No, I don’t believe in Twitter.

Let’s maybe get some suggestions for Shimi’s Twitter handle so we can tag him in future episodes. @ShimiTheFish right?

You know what? That’s gotta be the handle. I’m going to open that up the second I get home.

Okay, Shimi The Fish! Let’s jump into our first topic this week – Three things that online poker sites can do to make it big in 2016 – A great article by Bradley Chalupski. What do you think, Shimi?

I think that we definitely need to see some change. Poker really needs some sort of new hope. We’ve got to have some sort of digital remastering to just change it. A re-awakening of all the fans and poker in general. I like what they did when you spoke about Twitch.

Oh, with the streaming.

Absolutely. That would be something amazing to see. I have to tell you, honestly, as much as I’m excited about seeing what’s coming in 2016, I don’t really want any spoilers.

I don’t think you have to worry about that.

I bought my ticket, I’m ready for the show, but I hope it’s going to be something really amazing that you could share with the kids.

Well, I don’t know about kids. It’s gotta be 21 and over, of course. Like what DraftKings and Fanduel did, not to go whole hog with all the marketing campaigns, but to really make it big in online poker you really need to spend those marketing dollars. Put a Super Bowl commercial out there! You’ve got billions of dollars. Millions of Billions of Dollars? Anyway, they’ve got a lot of money, so why don’t they go and put a Super Bowl commercial? Or I don’t know, decorate Times Square in 888 Poker billboards, or whatever it is. You could definitely put some marketing stuff out there because that’s how you really make it big. You’ve got to make sure people know about you.

That’s the number 1 thing. The key thing is, you want people to come back, you want people to really be interested and enjoy watching and being a part of the environment.

Yes. So maybe put some contests out there. There are plenty of ways for online poker to currently get bigger than it is, and hopefully next year it will happen.

I just really hope they give it their all. I hate hearing how they’re trying to do this, or trying to do that. You know what? Try not! Just either do it, or do not. There is no try here.

Yeah, I know what you mean. Well someone who really does it is Chris Torina. He is in charge of the WPT DeepStacks. This is actually very interesting. I consider myself very, very, very into poker. I know a lot of stuff out there. One of the articles that we have here is one by Jennifer Newell – 4 Steps to Success with WPT DeepStacks’ Chris Torina. She interviewed him and it was such a great interview that it opened up this whole new world of poker for me because I didn’t really know much about him. I’ve heard it, and I’ve seen the press, but what is it all about? This is a gentleman who really brought it. He had this idea for a new tournament series for mid-level stakes grinders and recreational players, with low buy-in amounts. He created this brand, worked his butt off and then he made a Partnership and sold it to the WPT. Now they’re a branded event. Who knows who the customer is and he tailors the event. He keeps working and he doesn’t rest. An incredible story.

Well done to him that he was just able to make his dream and actualize it. It’s something really amazing to see that he took that tournament and made it into something as big as it is.

Right, and I think it’s really good. We all know the WSOP, the WPT, the EPT – we know all the big PTs – but the WPT DeepStacks is something very interesting. Maybe if you’re not playing it you’re not so familiar with it because it’s not always reported on all the big poker media sites, but this is a really great story that I think you should definitely take a look at and familiarize yourself to it. I really learned a lot, and I think you did too, Shimi.

Absolutely. I really want to see my own version of the WPT. The Weiss Poker Tour. That would be fun, right?

Hmm, it sounds familiar. I may or may not have played in such an event. Speaking of nothing related at all to that, there was an article that we also put on there. It’s got to be mentioned: 7 Australian Poker Players You Need To Watch. James Guill put this article together, and of course you’ve got Joe Hachem, Jeff Lisandro and Mel Judah. Those are the players you’d expect, *Robbie In Australian Accent* but how do you not put Billy “The Croc” Argyros on that list? It’s ridiculous man!

That was pretty good.

*Robbie Continues In Australian Accent* It’s not so bad. He wears the crocodile t-shirts to every event that he plays in, he’s in the Australian Poker Hall of Fame. It’s kinda ridiculous. Where’s Billy?

Great impression! That’s a very good accent.

Thank you.

Although I’ve got to tell you, it’s pretty easy to do an Australian accent. Do you know how you do it? All you do is you smile really big and you talk. *Shimi in an Australian Accent* G’Day Mate!

*Both In Australian Accent*


How you doin’?

Kangaroos. Koala Bears.

*Both go back to normal*

I’m going to have my brother-in-law running after me with a stick smacking me because he’s Australian.

Oh yeah? And I’m sure they’re probably like 30-something million Australians going: *Robbie Brings Back The Australian Accent* Oh these guys they did great accents and all.

Oh, I’ve got a bad feeling about this. We’re going to get some really bad comments.

*Normal Accent* WE LOVE COMMENTS! Be sure to comment at the bottom of this video and of course subscribe to the YouTube Channel! If you’re watching it on Facebook, like it and share it. Just tell people about it. It’s a fun show. We hope you’re enjoying it. One more topic we’re going to delve into is: Poker On Television – Why Do People Enjoy It? Do you enjoy it, Shimi?

I’ve got to tell you, I remember way back when poker was really first broadcasted on television. It was terrible.

I loved it!

Back then they only had a show here and there. It was just like a phantom menacing you, popping up here and there, and you would watch it and just be asking yourself why they did that because it’s not that interesting. There was no plot line and none of the characters really had an appeal. It was just like an attack of clones going after each other. They really changed it up and made it into something a lot more entertaining and appealing, and it’s really something special.

I don’t know. I mean when I first saw it, the characters are what appealed to me. Like the Sam Farha with the cigarette, and the Phil Hellmuth Poker Brat blowup character.

It’s funny you say that. Did you see the video that was posted in the article? I love that.

Yes. Him vs Tony G right?

That was outstanding! You’re watching that hand and of course it’s one of the natural Phil moments, right?


He’s up, and Tony G’s got that 4 and the second that two-pair hits, Tony G is just playing that hand solo. He’s just forcing Phil to just put out chips. I love it. If you’re going to use force against another player, you want to be able to get that value out of your hand.

Right. The force is very important.

That’s the type of force you should use at the poker table, always.

Right, I understand what you’re saying. Look, the fact is that character-driven type of poker television is what interests me. That’s what makes me tune in. I just tuned into Shark Cage, where you had Negreanu and Ivey going heads up for a million dollars – that was pretty unbelievable!

I have to give Phil credit though. When he had that bad beat, the way he got up and walked away from the hand was nice. You’ve got to be able to just take a moment to relax. You don’t want to blow up.

One thing that definitely works on television is gimmicks. Based on something we did last episode, we want to bring you a new segment called ‘Name That Pro.’

Hold on, check this out. Ready?

Yeah, okay.

Watch this, watch this.

Okay, Shimi’s going to lead this one. I hope he does an okay job.

That’s right, Shimi strikes back. Revenge of the fish! Return of the questions! Here we go.

I don’t know, Shimi. I am very, very confident in my poker. I am a poker fanatic.

Yeah, don’t get cocky. Here we go.

Let’s see if I can guess.

This is the way it’s going to go: you’ve got to name the professional player, and I’m going to give you a few clues. Do you want to throw out a guess right now?

Well, I’ve got to guess my man Daniel Negreanu. Is it Daniel?

SHOOT! What?! No, I’m just kidding, it’s not Daniel Negreanu.

Oh. Love you Daniel!

Okay, let’s go for it. Questions. This pro shares the same nickname as a member of the justice league. I would get this. My wife would get this.

The justice league.

Robbie doesn’t get geek references.

Uhm. How much time do I have?

We’re going to give you a clock counting down. It’s over.

I don’t know! Daniel Negreanu!

No. We’re going to give a big X for that. Nice try Rob, we have some consolation prizes backstage. Number 2!

I get another clue!

The pro defeated Phil Hellmuth heads up for his first career WSOP bracelet.

I totally know this one! Wait a second. His first bracelet. This was….Well it wasn’t Doyle.

Can we get a judge on that? I heard Doyle.

No, wait, that wasn’t my guess!

Okay, we’ll let you take it back.

I’m going to go with Chris ‘Jesus’ Ferguson.

Is it Ferguson? NO! Okay, here we go Robbie, you get one more clue. This pro once held the #1 spot on the all-time money list.

Oh, there’s around 70 players like that.

At least you narrowed it down to 70.

Is it Erik Seidel?

The answer…is…Erik Seidel!

ALRIGHT! Total guess!

That was really impressive!

We know our poker baby!

I was going to give you another clue. I was going to say it rhymes with Berick Beidel. Okay, so what’s his nickname? Why is it a justice league reference?

Because he has a brief cameo in Rounders?

No! His nickname is Cyborg. We have to forgive Robbie. We have some re-education to do for geek references, clearly.

Well, what can I say, you learn something new everyday. We hope you learned something on this week’s episode of the PokerUpdate Burn & Turn. It was really fun. Be sure to subscribe on the YouTube Channel. You can like and share it on Facebook. I think that brings an end to our show.

You’re getting ready to leave now, right?

I am going to the Bahamas baby!

It’s going to be a really amazing experience for you. It will be like being in a galaxy far, far away from the daily grind and everything like that.

That was a great reference, because Star Wars is out right now in the theatres, right?

Jeez. I love you man.

I love you too, Shim.

NOOO! Oh My God, Robbie.

That wasn’t it?

Oh my God! Try it again man. Come on, come on. Try it again. I love you man.

You too?

Oh Shoot.

What is it? I forgot. Tell me. We’ll cut the camera, it’s fine.

I’m so sorry, to all our endearing friends.

What was it?

I love you. I know.

I know?

I know.

I know.

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