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Vidcast for the week of: Sunday, November 15, 2015
The One With Shimi the Fish
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Coming up next on the PokerUpdate.com Weekly Burn & Turn: We talk about how to attract recreational poker players to the tables; We also give you three ways to get out of a poker downsing; Five reasons you should be showing your hole cards to your opponent; plus, Ronda Rousey: what does that have to do with poker? Stay tuned.
Welcome back to another wonderful episode of the Weekly Burn & Turn. I’m Shimi Weiss.
And I’m Robbie Strazynski, here, for PokerUpdate.com the week of November 15, 2015. Glad to be back. We missed last week’s episode, right?
No? You had an episode?
Dude, you think you go on vacation and things stop? We had an episode. You don’t watch our episodes?
Robbie, Robbie, Robbie. Is there a way to check the subscribers? I want to actually check that Robbie has subscribed. You should be watching, even when you’re on vacation. We had an awesome episode. Why do you think I started off the show? You lost your spot man.
I fully admit, I was watching. From the airport, actually. Shira did a great job.
Shira was awesome!
Good stuff, Shira, the editor of PokerUpdate.com. Thanks for filling in, Shira. I had a great time on vacation. I went to Prague, in the Czech Republic.
You look really, really tired.
Yeah, because all night the Czech, check, check, check. You see what I did there? Rounders?
I see what you did there. It’s like a little poker pun. Good job.
Yes, there we go! They Czech Raised.
No? I met a couple Czech Mates.
At least you know where Prague is. I went to Prague and I thought the entire time that I was in Poland. No joke, and I came back and my wife said that everyone knows Prague is in Russia. True story.
Thank you to the Ambassador Hotel Poker Room there for hosting me. We had a great time. Actually, I’ll be telling you something about that a little bit later in this broadcast of the PokerUpdate.com Weekly Burn & Turn. But now, it is time to get back to the swing of things. We’ll go for the first topic here: 5 Ways to Attract Recreational Online Poker Players.
Okay, go for it. What’s the best way?
Well first of all, thanks Charles Rettmuller for putting this piece together. The best way to attract recreational poker players is to let them know that Shimi is going to be at the table.
Well played, Robbie.
I mean that’s what brought me to poker.
You know what? PokerStars, I’m ready to sign up and the second i’m at that table I promise you that people will be lining up to play against me.
He’s got that fish avatar already. It’s all lined up.
Once upon a time, I had the Full Tilt t-shirt with the little fish jumping out of the glass, and I wore that with pride because I’m known as Shimi The Fish.
And not without reason. So, real ways to attract recreational players to the tables: money! Pay them, give them money, an incentive of sorts to come and show up to play some poker.
That always works, like bonuses. Any reason to continue playing and keep you drawn into the game. I would love it if they had a wider array of games, something that would make you feel a little more even-footed with the professionals. I like what they said in the article in regards to putting a little more emphasis on Omaha, something where you suddenly get more hands. I would love to see some crazy games. Bring in some wild games, something where I can go and sit down and think that I can play with the pros.
For sure, and one other thing I absolutely love in my own home game, first of all the home game atmosphere. That’s something that I love. I don’t play for a living but for fun. I consider myself a recreational player, I think Shimi does too (fish references aside).
I think that millions of people are playing each week, whether that’s online or live at a home game with their buddies, it’s the experience which they treasure. When you throw in those wild games, like Deuces WIld, or anything like that, it really creates an atmosphere of “Hey, we’re here to have fun.” So, that’s our recommendation. That would be really cool and I’d love to see that as I think that would bring recreational poker players to the table.
You know, you should add a social element to it. That would be something that’s very interesting.
And not some little chat box.
I have to say this, and this is one of my guilty pleasures, I do play Zynga Poker every now and then.
That’s where Shimi gets his poker training.
The reason why is that I get to see how all my friends are doing and you can invite your friends to a table. All of a sudden it’s a lot more social and there’s something to that which gives a little more of a flair to someone who’s just there as a recreational player.
I think that 888, back in the day (or maybe they still have it), had webcam poker. That could be something that’s very interesting. Instead of this blank avatar, or a bot, or whoever it is, you can actually see who you’re playing against. I don’t know how successful it was because strangers are still strangers, but if you have a private game, or a home game where people are sitting at their houses but with the webcam on them, that could be pretty cool.
That would be fun. Set us up with leagues. Pit us against other players of the same calibre, so that way we can feel that we are trying to achieve something against players who are on the same level playing field as us. That could be something very interesting. Again, that would bring me back to the table.
But how would you find eight other players on the same skill level as Shimi Weiss? I’m just not sure.
Alright, so clearly you know they’ll give the advantage to the other players but i’ll take one for the team.
Speaking of taking one for the team, that’s something that happens when you’re on a downswing, I guess you could say. You take a lot: one for the team, one for yourself, one for your neighbor, and so on. You’re just running cold, unfortunately.
It happens, and it happens to the best of us. It’s happened a lot of times to Robbie.
Even to me! Even to Robbie it’s happened to Robbie. David Huber wrote a great article: 3 Ways To Get Out Of A Poker Downswing. Articles like these have been written before on other sites, but he actually put together a really interesting way that I had never seen before about thinking independently. It’s a way to get out of the downswing. A lot of people play poker online and they have their HUDs and statistics, and you get in a habit of playing a certain way based on the statistics you see.
They’re following a certain system instead of actually playing like yourself.
Exactly, and he’s encouraging you, if you want to get out of the downswing, to take a step back and think independently. Use your brain in addition to relying on all of the other notes and statistics you use to play. Use your brain a little bit more and that may perhaps get you out of the rut you’re in. That was a very interesting suggestion.
I think the most important thing to get out of a downswing, and this is something I use, is you’ve got to tighten those purse strings. You’ve got to make sure that you’re under control, that it doesn’t spiral out of control, and the way to do that, and he spoke about this in the article, is to first of all take a step back. If you’re all of a sudden on a losing streak, bring the stakes down to be in control. Make sure the money going on the table is not above and beyond what you’re able to spend.
Now actually, I have a great system with my wife. When I started playing poker…
Wait a second. So when we’re talking about tightening purse strings, it’s your purse or your wife’s purse?
No I get the money from her and it goes right back to her afterwards.
The most important thing with this is that I actually turned to her and said, “You know what? I’m going to accept the fact that maybe you have a better understanding on how my upswings and downswings are going, so I’m giving you full autonomy over my poker playing.” And my wife actually takes a look, she knows how much I’m spending and how much I’m making, and I’ll be able to call her up and say, “Listen, I’m having a tough time tonight but I think I should be buying back in,” and she’ll be able to tell me to buy back in and see what I can do with it, or to call it a night.
I highly recommend that, because for someone who’s sat at a table with Shimi, it’s highly entertaining to watch Shimi talking to his wife and say “Honey, I’m running bad. Robbie outplayed me,” or whatever it may be.
That’s right. No, no, no, you know what? Bring Shira back here. Send Robbie back to Prague. I want Shira!
One way to get out of a downswing is commonly known as taking a step back away from the table. While you’re taking a step away from the table, clearing your head, the Weekly Burn & Turn is a great thing to watch, so I hope you’re enjoying yourself week after week. By all means, engage with us on Facebook. Look for the PokerUpdate Facebook page, look for us on Twitter @PokerUpdate. We got our very first messenger pigeon message, very exciting!
Really? What do you mean by messenger pigeon?
It was this old method, prior to the fax machine, where the messenger pigeon carried the message.
Yes the messenger pigeon was a real thing. For those of you Doyle Brunson and older, who remember the messenger pigeon era, you are certainly welcome to send your pigeon our way. We also have fax machines, hieroglyphic deciphers, and any other way you want to communicate with us. Also, the next topic is 5 reasons to show your hole cards to an opponent. Can you think of one reason?
Absolutely, and I’ve done this on many occasions, and I’ve seen pros do this as well on many occasions, show your hole cards if you get paid to do so.
Yes! That’s a great reason! I love it!
I’ve been at a table where people offer me $5 to show them my cards. Okay, sure!
I’ll be like, who else?
Bring it in.
For $10 I’ll show you a card. That’s a great reason.
Especially if you just lost a big hand, or you wanted that call so badly but you didn’t get paid off. Sell it to them! Just be like, for $20 I’ll show it to you. Also, especially from my perspective, I’m not giving them any information. If they don’t know what cards I’m playing, then clearly they’re not very good poker players because almost everyone else knows what cards I’m playing.
And also, they might not necessarily gain any useful information from you showing because you might have had a real reason, besides getting money, like showing them and it’s clearly a bluff but you would have had something else in mind but they don’t realize that.
When you show your cards it’s a great spot to alter your play. You have to make a mental note as to why they wanted to see your cards. Is it because they wanted to see if you were bluffing? Then the next time, in the same spot, switch things up. It gives you an advantage if you utilize it.
A couple of great clips that we put into that article, about very famous poker players showing their cards on camera while being televised, one of them was Daniel Negreanu. He had this great hand, I forgot who he was playing against, I think it was the loose cannon, in one of PokerStars’ Big Games, and the loose cannon had a boat, fours over threes, and Negreanu had a busted straight on the river and he’s like “I’ll show you a card yeah,” and he turns over a deuce or something.
The five. No, no, it was the six.
Clearly at that point it was after Negreanu had put in a bet, and the loose cannon knows he’s good and he thinks, and thinks and then puts in a raise, and the whole table loves it. It was a great clip to watch. Also, our boy Ronnie Bardah, shoutout to Ronnie Bardah. Great hand in the Shark Cage against Miss Finland. Very entertaining hand. He also had the winning hand, trip fours and he goes and he just couldn’t believe that he was basically being put to the test by Miss Finland’s all in, and he ended up folding the hand when she was bluffing. Another reason to show your hand, if you’re on TV and you’re a famous poker player, is to make a memorable thing that will be quoted on the PokerUpdate.com’s Weekly Burn & Turn. Great reason to show your cards!
Absolutely. You want to be the star. There’s an art to showing your card, especially during a hand. There’s an art to being able to manipulate the other player by revealing a card – something which Negreanu clearly has to work on a little bit more.
That was one example, but definitely check out the article by David Huber. Lot’s of other great, strategic reasons. That’s what we’re about here, besides entertainment, we want to give some strategy. So definitely take a look and click on that article. I think you’ll gain from it as well.
Last topic we’ve got for you: Ronda Rousey! Everyone’s talking about Ronda Rousey, huh?
RONDA ROUSEY! Let’s try that again. No? You really don’t know?
I really don’t know.
So, fish at the poker table, AND doesn’t know who Ronda Rousey is. For those, like Shimi, who don’t know who Ronda Rousey is, she is the biggest name in MMA (Mixed Martial Arts).
So people like watching people fight, like boxing but way more entertaining. So Ronda Rousey is the biggest name in MMA, and she’s undefeated, and is in movies like The Expendables (which is really, really good).
Wait a second, who was she playing in The Expendables?
One of the characters.
That movie was awesome in how terrible it was.
Well played, sir. So, Ronda Rousey, she had a big bout in the UFC where she faced Holly Holm who wiped the floor with her. Basically put her on a silver platter and served her to lunch.
Okay, what does this have to do with poker?
Good question! So the ever creative James Guill put together an article: Like Ronda Rousey, Poker Players and Brutal Knockouts. Rousey got knocked out!
I see what you did there, James.
Well done. So he put some famous scenes of when it happened at the poker table, where guys got knocked out, and one of them was the most memorable hand (that you voted for) when Justin Phillips and his Royal Flush, knocked out Quad Aces. That was a huge knockout, very good one.
How about you Robbie, have you ever had a huge knock out?
I’ve knocked people out, yes! One that James neglected to mention, which was a very big knockout happened last week in Prague actually. I had pocket Queens and the flop comes KQJ, with two diamonds.
So naturally I wanted to push the action, make sure I get it in there. No one’s playing a straight, and I don’t need no flush draws chasing or anything like that. So all the money goes in. It was over $100, and I was really playing relatively snug, and one guy is hemming and hawing, and hemming and hawing, and then he calls.
Don’t tell me he had 10-2 or something?
He did not have a flush draw. Did he have a straight draw? He did not have a straight draw! He had K-3 so I’m like we’re goin sizzler.
That’s like the -1%.
I’m like totally kicking his butt, however, since this is under the title of knockouts he had a turn of a King, and a river 3.
Which is why I’m here instead of still playing in Prague. That’s the Ronda Rousey-like poker knockout.
It happens to the best of us.
And to Robbie!
We hope you’ve enjoyed this week’s episode of the PokerUpdate.com Weekly Burn & Turn. We’re happy to be back here for you. We’ll be back next week with another exciting, Rousing, episode. Is that a word?
That is a word.
I’m Robbie Strazynski.
And I’m Shimi Weiss.
Thanks for tuning in.