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Welcome to our weekly Weekly Burn & Turn, where we discuss the latest poker updates published during the week.

Vidcast for the week of: Sunday, November 8, 2015

The One Where Robbie’s on Vacation

Thank you so much for watching.

If you would like to read the articles discussed in our vidcast, please see the links below!

(4:12) Would You Play Poker with a Four Color Poker Deck?

(7:20) The Great Debate: Are Poker Players Athletes?

(9:54) Joe McKeehen Wins 2015 WSOP Main Event

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On this week’s episode of the Weekly Burn & Turn, Robbie’s not here, so I’ll be filling in. We discuss four-color poker decks – are you going to play with them?; Are poker players athletes?; and of course, we just ended the 2015 WSOP Main Event, so who won, who lost, and how much money are they going home with? Stay tuned to find out.

Hi! Welcome to’s Weekly Burn & Turn. I’m Shimi Weiss.

And I am NOT Robbie Strazynski.

You’re not?


I’ve been calling you “Robbie” for like 8 episodes.

I’m sorry!

Oh my gosh! I’ve been making such an idiot out of myself.

I’m not saying anything.

It’s alright, I’m used to making an idiot out of myself. Where is Robbie?

Well, first of all I’m Shira Stieglitz.

Hi, Shira!

Robbie’s actually on vacation this week.

Alright, fine, he deserved it. He’s allowed to have a vacation…Once!

Just once Robbie, if you’re watching this. You can’t do this anymore!

Don’t do this to us Robbie.

As you know, I’m here instead of Robbie, and aside from being one half of the “Burn & Turn” – By the way, who is the “burn” and who is the “turn”?

I’ll take burn! Robbie can be the turn.

Alright, Robbie’s the turn! Aside from that, as you know, he is the presenter of the Monthly PokerUpdate Update. What we have special for you, since he’s not here and we want to make fun of him just a little bit, is a fun blooper reel. So take a look!

That was awesome!

That was great.

I can’t believe you guys have been keeping the bloopers.

You know, we were waiting until we had just enough so we could create something that was really strong, and funny.

You’re not keeping bloopers of mine are you?


No, no, no. I do not approve of this message.

We’re just going to flubber our words all time. All day! See?

Let’s get right into it. We’ve got some good articles and we’ve got a lot to talk about.

Yes we do. The first topic of today is an article by Charles Rettmuller called: ‘Would you play poker with a four color poker deck?’


That was quick.

I have these settings on online poker and the answer is always no. I can’t stand the different colors?

Why not? I think it’s nice.

It drives me nuts because I’m expecting it to just be red and black, and all of a sudden it’s blue and green.

I can understand the appeal of it. If you’re playing multiple tables it’s easier to see where you have a flush going on.

None of the jokes work though. What was it? Ocean’s Eleven? You’re always at a table and you throw down your cards and go “Guys, all red!” It doesn’t work if it’s different colors.

Well you can say “All blue!”

But then that’s actually a flush. No guys, you can’t change the colors. Please. What were the stats breaking down on this?

I think 62% of the poll on PokerUpdate said that they are actually for having a multicolor deck. Although, 24% were just like “Just shuffle up and deal. I’ll take whatever comes.”

That’s a nice way of saying “shut up and deal.” They don’t want extra colors. You know what? Leave a comment, let’s see what you guys think. Comment and tell us your opinion. Do you guys go for the extra colors, or do you just want to have the classic red and black?

I think it would be interesting. For me it’s hard to tell sometimes. You’re playing so fast that you can’t necessarily tell the Spade from the Club. If I had colors, maybe I wouldn’t muck a flush.

I don’t know. I’m a purist and I need to have it a specific way. I even hate to play with a different type of deck.

Do you have your own special deck?


Is it marked?

We’re not going to talk about that. But no, I’m definitely on the side of keeping the decks as they are. I’m willing to understand it. I love how online poker has the option for those who want to do it, but that’s a personal thing, don’t bring it into the casinos.

At EPT Malta they started introducing the four color deck and apparently it garnered quite a positive response so maybe we’ll see it in more live tournaments moving forward.

I am not happy.

Then you don’t have to play.

Well there you go! EPT Malta, you just lost a customer that was not playing there previously.

I’m sure they’re crying about that right now. But I don’t know, would YOU play with it?

Leave a comment.

Leave a comment down below.

Go ahead. Robbie is a master at segues. How are you going to segue into the second article? You’re here instead of Robbie, so show us that master segue. Go for it!

So, as we’re talking about card decks and players, our next topic is an op-ed piece written by David Huber, asking a question that I think is on a lot of people’s minds right now, especially with poker becoming more mainstream. Are poker players athletes?

Again, I’m going to throw out and just say no.

You’re very negative today.

I’m not trying to be negative, but let’s talk about this. Athletes – what does it mean when we say someone is an athlete? Usually we’re talking about something that’s an actual physical sport. You’re not talking about a mental sport. Poker is all about psychology, math, statistics, and it’s all mental. It’s not physical activity.

I have to say that being the geek that I am, I looked up the definition of an athlete in Merriam-Webster’s dictionary.

Oh God!

They say that it’s a person trained in a skill, and any exercise, sport or game (poker is a game) requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina. In poker you need stamina.

Yes, but you also need stamina to watch your kids and take your dog for a walk. That’s not an athletic sport. Poker is all about psychology. If you want to call them mental athletes (a mathlete) then i’ll be on board for that.

Bowling is a sport and you can drink beer.

Okay, but bowling is actual physical exertion. Is sitting down and playing Magic: The Gathering a sport? You need stamina for that. Chess is not a sport, and let me tell you something, there are some professional chess players who have to actually train because when you’re playing around 400 players at the same time you’re talking about walking miles, and miles. It’s not a sport.

Well, there’s Alex Dreyfus who is trying to sportify poker.

He’s trying to turn it into a sporting event, which is amazing, but that doesn’t mean that they’re athletes. It’s not a sport. I don’t want to underestimate how hard it is, and what you need to do to play at a poker game but I think there has to be some sort of differentiation between someone who is training their body physically as opposed to someone who is training their body mentally.

Do you have another word you would use?

I told you, mathlete! That’s what I’m going with. It’s a mathletic sport. Dreyfus, there you go. You heard it over here and you’re welcome to use it.

Speaking of mathletes.

Oh we have a lot of mathletes to talk about.

This is a good segue right here. Speaking of mathletes, we just finished the WSOP Main Event.

How many of you guys were watching this? This was a nail-biter. Incredible! I love the November Nine. This is like the highlight of the poker year in my eyes.

I think that a lot of people like it because there’s so many different people around the table, and they’re all trained in different ways, and seeing how they deal with one another is incredible.

My favorite is seeing the amateurs. I’ll be honest, every time I see an ameteur at the final table I think to myself, “Hey, I could do it!” but I can’t.

I think that’s what everyone likes about the Main Event in general. You can be an ameteur and get to this. I think that’s why a lot of people end up enjoying watching it because there is the idea that one day it could be them. It’s never going to be me, but maybe you.

Maybe. No, probably not, but that’s alright. Let’s get right into it though. I love how it started off. Right away with an elimination.

Two hands and Chan was out. I think they said that this is actually a record number for the amount of hands for the first person out.

Alright, let’s be a little bit fair. The guy only had 15 big blinds. He couldn’t wait around that long, and he got a very decent hand. KQ is not a terrible hand.

He went out against A4?

Yes. What a terrible way to go down.

Then let’s see, Neuville also went out the first day, and we were kind of pumping for him a little bit.

We wanted him to win.

We definitely wanted him to go forward a little bit.

Good on him for the show he put on. I think he needed to be a little bit more aggressive. They were talking about the last hand he went out on, AK vs 44 and he had an opportunity to go at it. He could have three-bet to make the Fours drop their hand, but he missed that opportunity. Then once those fours paired, there’s not much he could do there.

I think the biggest complaint people had on the first day was the fact that there was a lot of slow-play going on especially from Stern.

You know what though? This is part of the game. When you’re watching televised poker you don’t realize because a lot of it is edited. With the final table, this was all in real time. When you’re usually watching a summary of a tournament it’s very much edited. A lot of times, however, players will take their time. It’s not uncommon that they take 1-3 minutes. I watched a Main Event from a few years ago where someone ended up calling the clock and was angry because he was taking 5-6 minutes every time It is very common, and look, you’re under a lot of pressure and you need to really make sure you’re playing correctly. I don’t want to fault him on it, although I can definitely see how it can be a little frustrating for a viewer.

People like Adam Schwartz, and Remko Rinkema were all over twitter saying that it was an average of 15 hands an hour (according to Adam) which is the longest they’ve seen in a long time.

You should come to my home game.

Remko made a joke that he learnt how to play Hearthstone during all of this waiting.

That’s also a good use of time. Well done.

Because of that, Stern ended up reading a lot of negative comments because of the amount of time he was taking. On Day 2 he really sped up his play and at the end of the day I think it actually ended up hurting him more than it helped him.

I’m really upset to see that. He really shouldn’t have had to alter his gameplay. What he was doing is not against the rules. Now I know that a lot of people have talked about putting a shot clock into poker, and you know what? If they do it that’s wonderful, but until they do he’s completely within his rights to take his time and think about all the strategy that he wants to use. Especially if it ended up hurting his game, I’m definitely really sorry to hear that because we were rooting for you here. We really were, and I’m sorry to hear that but 5th place is still an amazing accomplishment, and next time, take your time. Well, I don’t know where you stand on this, but I’m standing here to tell you that if you want to take your time, go for it.

i definitely would stand with you on that.

Would you call a clock on him?

I don’t think that I would necessarily call a clock on him but maybe he needs to learn a balance between taking his time pre-flop and playing because obviously it harmed his game the first day and the next day. I think he needs to find a good balance in order for him to do what he’s doing to do well, but still, 5th place isn’t bad.

It also matter what cards he was playing. I’m sorry, but if you try to hollywood it and take 5 minutes to act with 72 off-suit, then you have no place at that table.

There’s no excuse for you, and get out.

Muck those cards!

But when he had good cards, he was just thinking it through.

He went out on Day 2. Who else went out on Day 2?

Steinberg went out on Day 2 and a lot of people are upset because they did not see his Day 3 suit.

There were a lot of Steinberg fans.

Suit Up For Steinberg did not happen on the 3rd day.

Is he going to show what suit he was going to wear?

I don’t know, I haven’t checked.

I hope so. I know a lot of people are very disappointed fans.

We can ask him on Twitter. Speaking of Twitter, make sure to follow us @PokerUpdate on Twitter and also Facebook.

And retweet. Again, you retweet us and you get a shoutout.

i checked and I don’t think anyone did.

Well my wife retweeted us.

So Hi Shimi’s wife!


Hi Miriam.

There you go. I hope she actually retweeted us or that would be very awkward.

Does she actually watch our show?

She does. Believe it or not, there are a lot of avid fans. Give us some comments. Let us know that you’re there and we’ll give you some shoutouts. So who ended up taking down the November 9?

Joe McKeehen took it down.

Is anyone really surprised?

I think at the end of Day 1 people were just playing for second place.

Going into it I think he controlled like 66% of the chips in play.

He began Day 2 with 66% of the chips and I think at that point we just came to the conclusion that everyone was playing for 2nd.

Well you know what? I have to say something about this. There are players who have cards that end up falling for them, but he also stepped up when he wasn’t getting cards and still managed to play poker. That’s the sign of a real poker player. Well done and well played. Amazing achievement.


It really is. Not only are you taking home that massively blinged out bracelet, you’re also takinghome $7.68 million.

That’s a lot of money. You know who was the biggest winner?

The IRS.

That’s right. *Ba Dum Tss!* We really need to get a sound effect for that.

Maybe if we get more subscribers we’ll get one. Subscribe to the YouTube Channel down here.

Actually it’s down here on this side.

I actually checked and it’s over here.

You think it’s there but then the whole thing flips round, trust me.

Shimi’s right, I’m just filling in.

You know what? You did an outstanding job today. Robbie, stay on vacation! That’s right. Did you see that segue we had before? That was so smooth she didn’t even say seg. Seg is not a word Robbie, it’s segue.

But wait, I have a question. What would you do with $7.68 Million?

What would I do? That’s not the actual question. The real question is, what would my wife do with $7.6 Million? I wouldn’t have as much a say, so it would go to her.

I would probably pay off my student loans.

That’s definitely a good use. What would you use the other $10,000 for? Alright, it’s been an amazing show. Well done Shira.

Thank you very much.

Again, I don’t know if Robbie’s going to have a spot when he comes back.

If you really like me be sure to email us at [email protected] or you could just email us ideas you have for the show, or anything you want, really. Send us a message. We’d love to hear from you.

I’m Shimi Weiss.

I’m Shira Stieglitz.

And she is not Robbie Strazynski.


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