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Welcome to our weekly Weekly Burn & Turn, where we discuss the latest poker updates published during the week.

Vidcast for the week of: Sunday, November 1, 2015

The One With the Tom Dwan Impression

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If you would like to read the articles discussed in our vidcast, please see the links below!

(0:54) Where in the World is Tom Dwan?

(3:19) 6 Unspoken Rules of Live Poker Tournaments

(6:42) PokerStars Doesn’t Exist to Employ Pro Poker Players

(11:40) How Justin Phillips Won Most Memorable TV Poker Hand

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On this episode of the Weekly Burn & Turn we ask a question that’s been on everybody’s mind: Where on Earth is Tom Dwan? We talk about 6 unspoken tips at the live poker tournament tables, and big news at PokerStars – very complicated issue, a lot of people are unhappy – and we’re going to be discussing it. FInally, we reveal the winner of the Most Memorable Televised Poker Hand Contest. You guys have voted. Let’s see who wins, right after this.


Welcome back everybody, to the Weekly Burn & Turn for the week of November 1st, 2015. I’m Robbie Strazynski.

And I’m Shimi Weiss.

And we’re here to give you some more poker entertainment. Ready?

Let’s go.

Let’s jump into the first topic. Where in the world is Tom Dwan?

I’m really, really upset with this article. I’m calling out James on this article. Of all the references he could have used in geek-culture, he takes Twilight? Oh my god, Twilight! You have ruined poker for me, James. Not Twilight! We cannot give any more publicity to that stuff. And, you know what, James? I’m here to help you because I love you man. You create so many good memes for us, so I have actually created a bunch of references that you could have used instead of Twilight.

Tom Dwan, everyone, where is Tom Dwan?

Tom has joined a fellowship and is wandering into the very Heart of Mordor to throw the one ring into the feary pits of Mount Doom.




Okay, one second, I got another one. Tom wandered into his wardrobe and ended up in a fantastic land in need of savior.

*Robbie blanks out*

Okay. Esfandiari came to town on the eve of his birthday and said: “Tom, you’re a wizard.” You have to get that one.

Huh? *Robbie half asleep*

God, you’re such a muggle, Robbie. Okay, last one. Tom is actually lost. No one knows anything about it, but it involves an island.

Huh? *Robbie with the Tom Dwan stare*

That’s a pretty good impression.

Sorry. Where is Tom Dwan? That’s a very funny article that James Guill wrote. We definitely think you should check it out. Tom Dwan, for those who don’t remember (because we haven’t seen where on Earth he is lately), was featured extensively on High Stakes Poker back on the GSN Network, and was known for being uber-aggressive in everything. He had this crazy stare.

And he had the challenge.

He had the challenge with Jungleman.

I think he’s hiding. Cates says he’s been trying to call him out. i’ve got to tell you, I’m sure that Tom is trying to return those calls, but I’m sure he’s wandered into the wrong phone booth and is now traveling through time and space as a companion for somebody.

I see what you did there.

Come on, James! There’s so many better references than Twilight.

What I do like, though, is that he put the “Where in the world is..” with the Carmen Sandiego thing. From Nashville, to Norway, down into Zimbabwe. That was very good.

I like that. That was pretty good.

Check it out. Check out that article. Next: 6 unspoken rules of live poker tournaments.

Only 6? There are a lot of unspoken rules.

Well, it was written by David Huber. A couple of them are very good tips actually. It’s not going to be written like: “You can’t do this” or “Do this,” but when you are playing a tournament, it’s sort of like golf etiquette in a way.

It’s like golf, there’s no talking, just swinging. No, but you have to know the rules or otherwise you’re going to look like an idiot, or a jerk which is even worse.

Well one thing for example, say you have a big stack, it’s just the right thing to do to not hide your big denomination chips behind the stack, or put it in the middle, or at the bottom. That’s just wrong because if someone is trying to assess whether they should make a call or not, it’s misleading. Sure they can always ask the dealer for a spread, but it’s just wrong.

Absolutely. Even in a home game you don’t want to be doing that. You keep the higher denomination chips on top of your stack or in front.

Also etiquette, if you are not involved in a hand you should not be reacting to anything that’s going on at the table, such as when the flop is dealt. You can’t react to what comes out on the flop.

You should not even talk.

Or even whisper to your neighbor.

It’s just not cool.

Seriously. Those are two of the six unspoken rules that David put down, but there are some other unspoken rules.

What would you add?

I would say, for example, when you’re playing in a live poker tournament one unspoken rule is that you should shower.

Oh we spoke about this already. Showers are very important.

Very important! You do not want to be that guy, or girl.

That should be a spoken rule. Let’s keep that above the table. I would add that you should not be slow-rolling your cards. There are a lot of players who do that. If you’ve got the nuts, show it quickly and don’t let the other guy think that he won the hand. It’s just not nice.

Unless you’re on TV, like Shaun Deeb and Mike Matusow on Poker Night in America, and you try to make a fool of him on National TV. That was funny, but everyone else: you should not slow-roll at all.

It’s not going to put you in a favorable light. No one’s going to root for you if you act like a jerk at the table.

Right, not even me, or Shimi.

Absolutely. Another really good rule, which you probably should assume it, if you’ve got gas, maybe you should step up from the table and walk away.

I think that’s a rule that should remain unspoken. Another unspoken rule: Don’t tap on the aquarium, because you might scare away the fish. *Points at Shimi*

I like what you did there. We’re not really talking about fish in real aquariums.

Right. For those who don’t know how to play poker, fish are those who don’t play so well. Don’t tap on the aquarium means you shouldn’t be teaching the fish and explaining what they should have done, or shouldn’t have done. You’re there to take the person’s money. Be friendly, but don’t tap on the aquarium.

Wait until the chip stack is empty. Then if you want to be nice you can give them a few tips, but wait till that wallet’s empty.

Jumping into another topic, and this is a little more serious, and it’s all over the internet and the social webs, and everyone’s talking about it especially the professional poker community. PokerStars laid down a press release with a grand plan of changes they’re going to be implementing. it was divided into two parts. The first part was about HUDs (Heads-Up Displays) and they’re basically taking a very firm stance against HUDs.

This is very good news.

I think it’s one of the best things to happen in the history of online poker. I’ll be very frank, the day I found out that these types of things existed, was the day I literally stopped playing online poker. I don’t need to play against wizards like it’s a video game. I want to play poker.

Well the truth is it didn’t bother having HUDs, so long as they’re available to everyone. Everyone should be on the same front. The fact that they took a stance, I don’t care which way they went with it, is what’s important. They said it’s not allowed, then that’s it, they’re not allowed.

I think it costs like $50-$100 to get the software in the first place. If you’re a recreational player, you’re not going to be investing that money. I think it’s a great move by PokerStars. It’s been a long time coming. This should have happened years ago. I think it’s great, and I think most players (recreationals and professionals) think that it makes sense and agree with it.

A large percentage of players actually don’t use HUDs, so for them it’s a very big change.

Yes. I think a lot of professionals do because it’s their livelihood. With regard to livelihood. This one’s a bit more serious. They announced some major changes to the VIP scheme. Those who play very frequently had been incentivized by a great number of rewards. You play a great number of raked hands, and you rake an amount of money for the site, and you get X number of Dollars as you move upwards in the VIP Status ladder.

You get rakeback. A lot of people are very upset by this.

It is understandable. The fact is that they play online to make a living. The title of the article that James wrote is: ‘PokerStars doesn’t exist to employ professional poker players.’ That is a truth.

Absolutely. No one’s going to dispute that but at the same time PokerStars has to look out for themselves as well. We don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes, we don’t know what their monetary challenges are.

And they’re a public company now, they have to report to the investors now.

Right, they can’t be losing money on the deal, but I think what they did here needed to be done a little bit differently.

I think so. You go ahead and announce in advance, as they did when they announced months in advance that changes are going to take place. Okay, fair enough, but they should have been specific with the players and identify the specific changes that would take place so they have time to prepare.

You need a timeline for that so you can prepare for it. You can’t go into it not realizing that things can change all of a sudden.

To a certain extent, when you have an agreement like that with players, that you need to make Supernova, or Supernova Elite by the end of the year, it doesn’t seem like the right thing to do to change the agreement in the middle. That just isn’t right. Frequent Flier Programs have dones this in the past, for example, where the value of the number of miles changes all of a sudden. Stuff happens. Again, these are for-profit companies and they’re supposed to make it, but again, it doesn’t seem right. If you look on the social media the pros are outraged and there’s definitely some justification to that.

It’s not sign. You don’t want to anger the pros. These are people who back you.

These are the most loyal customers. Making a shift toward the recreational player model is understandable.

But not at the expense of other players.

What I would say, though, is that nothing that has been done can’t be undone. Things can be changed. The board can make a different decision, maybe they can roll it back, or extend the deadlines. There’s some things that can be done without giving in.

Find a certain compromise, something that won’t get everyone up in arms.

Definitely a complicated issue, much more than we could cover on here, but it’s important and people are talking about it and James wrote a great summary of what’s going on. Definitely take a look at it and see what you think. We’ll see what happens because things are certainly not over yet.

That article has no Twilight references, so you guys are good to go.

Indeed! Now back to something that we’ve been covering week after week.

Okay, I’m ready for this. Wait, remind them what this is all about.

Yes, we had a contest at for the most memorable televised poker hand. We had the brackets, and we’ve been talking about this and you have been following along. Some of us made predictions that didn’t really work out. Some of us made predictions that did exactly work out.

And the winner, by unanimous vote (I mean, ⅔ decision), Justin Phillips, the redhead gentleman at the WSOP, who beat quad aces with his royal flush.

That’s right baby! Victory!

Hold on a second, do a victory lap.

Oh yeah! Yes! It’s alright Robbie.

Congratulations to Justin Phillips and I guess to Shimi.

We have some nice consolation prizes back stage for second place.

For the Phil Hellmuth crowd.

Well done! I had you guys from the very beginning. What a hand.

Even a Phil Hellmuth retweet (Thank you very much Mr Hellmuth) did not help his cause so much. But he did retweet to his quarter-million followers.

He did retweet, so we’ve got to give him a shoutout.

Shoutout to Phil Hellmuth!

Nice try.

You finished in second place. Sorry to hear that. Did I just say that?

You’ve just said that.

Interestingly, though, we looked at the back data of the voting and I have to say I saw (not to call it multi-accounting) something they used to do back in Chicago, the vote early and vote often.

I can neither confirm nor deny any allegations against me.

Yeah, interesting.

I’m going to plead the 5th on this one.

Interestingly though there was a pocket of people in the State of Oregon who were voting for Justin Phillips. I guess he’s got his fanboys and his groupies and they spoke loud and clear.

Well done Oregon.

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