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Welcome to our weekly Weekly Burn & Turn, where we discuss the latest poker updates published during the week.

Vidcast for the week of: Sunday, September 20, 2015

The One Where Shimi Wonders if Robbie Washes His PokerUpdate Shirt

Thank you so much for watching.

If you would like to read the articles discussed in our vidcast, please see the links below!

(0:41) A Deeper Look Into the 2015 WSOP Hall of Fame Finalists

(4:22) Delaware Online Poker Revenue Up 11% in August

(6:39) Odlanor Means Online Poker Industry Must Act

(10:45) 5 Poker-Themed Reality Television Show Ideas

Have an idea of something we should discuss? Drop us a line at [email protected]. We would love to hear from you!

Transcription Below

Welcome back, everybody, for the Weekly Burn & Turn for the week of September 20th, 2015. I’m Robbie Strazynski.

And I’m Shimi Weiss.

And we’re still wearing the same shirts!

I launder mine. I don’t know about you. I really hope you do too.

We actually have 100 shirts a piece so we have 100 episodes to get through before we can get new shirts.

He is lying! We have one shirt and we’re supposed to wash it regularly.

Anyway, we’re going to bring you some poker entertainment for this week. The first article we’re going to get into is by James Guill – one of our favorite writers – a deeper look into the finalists for the 2015 WSOP Hall of Fame.

As he put it, there are some that definitely deserve to be there while others are a bit more questionable, and some are just place occupiers.

I think we can all agree that Jennifer Harman absolutely deserves to be one of the finalists, unquestionably, had all those poker achievements, has been playing against esteemed competition at the highest stakes for years. No one’s going to argue that she doesn’t deserve to be a finalist.

Absolutely. We’d like to see her win. Another female name on the list of Hall of Famers.

Any woman, any man, is always good to increase the membership in the poker hall of fame, but for sure, Jennifer Harman would be a great role model to have. Wow, another woman would be great. Any other sure-things that should have made this final list?

Well, I’ll be honest with you, I really want to talk about the fact that they have this rule – called the Chip Reese Rule – where you’re not allowed to have a nomination of someone under the age of 40. I understand why they put this in…

Phil Ivey!

… Yes everyone whispers behind their hands that it’s just to keep Phil Ivey from being nominated every year. The thing is though, that there’s no reason not to have people under 40.  We’re not electing the President of the United States here.

I think that’s 36. I’m not sure.

We’re talking about achievements here. Why would you disqualify someone who’s achievements might be incredible, just because they don’t hit the age cut-off?

I hear you. I guess it’s because it’s agreed upon that Chip Reese is one of the best -if not THE best – poker player of all time, and he was inducted when he was 40 years old. So it’s like, if Chip Reese – the greatest ever – got in at age 40, how could anyone possibly get in before that? So I think that’s where the idea came from.

I hear that, I do, but when you have nominees that are over the age of 40 which don’t compare (in terms of achievements) to someone who’s younger than them, then it’s a little bit ridiculous that they don’t take someone who is younger. I want to see Phil Ivey. I want to see Negreanu! I know you want to see Negreanu!

Negreanu is already in!!

Okay I clearly did not know what I was talking about. I want to see the younger guys there. There’s no reason to wait until they are 40 years old.

You guys can let us know what you think about that! Another potential controversial finalist is David “DevilFish” Ulliott. Unfortunately he passed away this year. It’s very sad. He was out there on television a lot. Everyone knows the DevilFish. However, the question is: Was he shortlisted as a finalist for the Hall of Fame only because he passed away? Is this like a sympathy vote or is he actually deserving of being inducted?

Well, I mean there is something nice about giving the nomination, even if it is a sympathy vote. I don’t know if he’s going to be able to win. I doubt he’s going to win the nomination. The question is if he’s going to be nominated again in the future. That will definitely show us if this was just a sympathy vote.

There are certain members of the poker media, and all members of the hall of fame, that get votes and they are going to decide who gets in. These are definitely questions they’re going to be asking themselves when they decide. This is definitely an interesting article, go ahead and check it out.

Next up: Delaware Online Poker. Everyone, all three of them, love poker in Delaware.

It’s very hard for me to talk about Delaware. Every time we say the word “Delaware”all that pops into my head is Wayne’s World. You know: “Delaware. I’m in Delaware.”

It is the 49th smallest State in the United States.

What’s the 50th?

Rhode Island.

Okay, I need to publicly apologize to Delaware. It’s nothing personal. I come from New Jersey, okay? We have to compensate a little bit. We pick on the guy who’s a little bit smaller. 9 out of 10 citizens of the US can’t locate Delaware on a map (I definitely did not make up that statistic right now).

There’s just not a lot of people in the State. There’s three States where online poker is legal: Nevada, New Jersey and Delaware, and that’s great, but I don’t know who’s in Delaware. I think you pass through Delaware on the way to New Jersey.

It’s the five minutes in between.

There’s the bridge or whatever, but just not a lot of people. Yes, revenue is up 11%, so I guess the same guy spent an extra five minutes playing.

What’s that equal to? I think it’s bad when the total profit is less than a buy in for a tournament. Good on you Delaware, and all your citizens that signed up.

It is good. We pick on you a little bit, but all in good humor. We love it when everyone is playing online poker. It’s great that the State Legislature made it legal, but we need more liquidity. We need a bigger player pool. Hopefully Delaware will also connect with New Jersey and Nevada in terms of the player pool. As more States get online poker legalized, the player pool will continue growing. In fact, I don’t think that one small State, even a big State like California, can have successful online poker network on its own. It should have something that’s a little bit bigger, open internationally, but good on you Delaware.

We love you, just deep down.

We’ll move on to the next topic now. Odlanor!



Why is it called Odlanor?

So that we have something funny to say on camera, that’s why! It’s an odd word. Odlanor is actually Ronaldo spelt backwards. What we’re actually talking about is malware. Ronaldo is one of the biggest spokesperson for PokerStars now. They do commercials with him now ever since he was signed up, and he’s big on promoting them. So, Ronaldo spelt backwards is Odlanor.

They clearly did that intentionally.

I sure think so! It makes sense. So this malware, some people with malicious intent went ahead and produced this virus that allows this hacker to get into your computer while you’re playing poker online, take a screenshot and send it to the hacker. This means that they will know what your cards are, while you’re playing. This worries me and the whole Ronaldo thing is only affecting accounts at PokerStars and Full Tilt, both owned by the Amaya company.

To be fair though, the only way people have been affected by this malware is when they were downloading illegally. It’s not through the specific companies. It’s because players try to get extra software to get an edge. Through that the malware then attacks their computer.

So, Jennifer Newell wrote this article real thorough and she also interviewed an online security expert, Dr. Avi Rubin, Professor of Computer Science and Technical Director of the Information Security Institute at Johns Hopkins University. He actually came up with an idea to improve the security. I think it’s if you want to check it out. I think it’s a very interesting idea.

Right, separating between the computer and another device.

Exactly, so the cards will be sent to your mobile device instead of your computer. Listen, I take a little bit more of an aggressive stance on this – I wrote my own article as well on my Cardplayer Lifestyle poker blog – because it’s the kind of thing that scares me away from playing. I know it’s only affecting a few hundred accounts, and only in Eastern Europe, but I feel that more action needs to be taken. Yes PokerStars issued as statement saying that all players need to take good security actions, and ESET (the online security company) were the ones to go ahead and warn people, and good on them for doing that, but I also feel that it’s a little bit more of the operator’s responsibility to try to do something. They need to come forward and talk to players.

You’re always going to have malware and viruses that are going to attack you. You really need to step up and take care of your computer’s security system. #1 is to not be downloading things illegally.

Exactly! That’s for sure.

If you’re getting software, make sure you’re getting it from the software developer. I’m not promoting the use of that software, but I think someone who’s trying to download it illegally will get malware. Honestly, it’s on them because that’s not the way to go about downloading software.

That’s true, you made a good point. So look, the sky is certainly not falling, I don’t think that PokerStars is going to crash anytime soon, but some people may be scared away. I think the overriding message of this Odlanor malware episode is to just be careful. Whether you’re the online poker player, or the operator, keep your wits about you, do the right thing and download software from a reputable source. If you’re the operator, again, communicate as best as you can with your players to let them know that everything is fine and under control.

Personally it doesn’t affect my game that much. I could be playing with my cards face up anyways.

He does. He does!

My game is all about messing over the other player on the river.

So we have to get him off the hand before the river.


One more topic we’re going to talk about is another article by James Guill titled “5 Poker-Themed Reality Television Show Ideas.” I think this one was really interesting, don’t you think so?

It was. I think a lot of the ideas might fall under the documentary theme.

Right. Not exactly reality shows.

He had one suggestion which I really loved. He was talking about taking ameature players and giving them the tools to become professional players. You know what? I would actually love to see a reality show like that. Grab 20 people off the street, give them a bankroll, something small like $10,000 to work with, and start moving between casinos. Tell them that that’s the money they have to work with and that they have to be smart about the games they’re playing, the rooms they’re staying in because accommodation and travel expenses are also coming out of the bankroll. That way we can actually see how a normal person tries to build his bankroll. We get to see how they move from one game to the other. Another suggestion that was in the article is that they can have professionals giving them guidelines, telling them when they should move up stakes.

So like a coach?

Absolutely. Everyone should have his/her own personal coach. They could also be working hand in hand. There are reality shows where you get someone professional and it’s basically like they’re on your team.

I think he compared it to WWE’s Tough Enough, where you have one of the superstars mentoring one of the up-and-comers. I think James’ suggestion is to call this Do You Have Heart? It’s a nice poker-themed title. Another idea that he put out there, and this has already happened before, is something he called Behind The Felt, which is sort of like interviewing industry personalities and seeing what goes on. You guys need to know, Poker Central – the poker channel that’s going to be going live 24/7 – already have a show in development like that called the Inside Deal with Matt Savage. Great idea, obviously great minds are thinking alike. Way to go James, on that suggestion. In general there’s really good ideas here. “One Time” was also another good suggestion that James came up with. Let’s say you remember so-and-so – I Can’t think of a name – but say someone who was on ESPN a lot and everyone’s heard of this guy, but they haven’t been heard from lately, they haven’t had a lot of success, maybe going back on the comeback trail. One Time! Can they make it back to poker prominence?

Very interesting.

Definitely a very interesting idea.

Let’s get a Survivor-themed poker show idea. Put them all on an island and give them a deck of cards. But no, that’s not going to work.

I think Jean-Robert Bellande was actually on Survivor and I think Daniel Negreanu always wanted to be on Survivor. So that could also be another great idea. But one reality that is happening as you speak: this one right here on the Youtube channel. That’s our show for today, the Weekly Burn & Turn. Be sure to subscribe to our channel. Thanks to everyone, the audience is growing. It’s great to get your feedback. Also look for us on and on Facebook, @PokerUpdate on Twitter and [email protected] It’s great to hear your feedback, and to hear what types of topics you want us to talk about and write about on the website. That’s pretty much it.

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